Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/27/2003 01:35 PM Senate L&C

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           SB 151-REGULATION OF NATURAL GAS PIPELINES                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE announced SB 151 to be up for consideration.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARY JACKSON, staff to  Senator Wagoner, sponsor, said SB 151                                                               
is a housekeeping  measure. In 2000, the  legislature amended the                                                               
Alaska Pipeline  Act. One of  the provisions of  that legislation                                                               
allowed   for  two   classes  of   pipeline  service:   firm  and                                                               
interruptible.  Those services  applied  to the  North Slope  gas                                                               
pipeline because  it was  the only pipeline  at that  time. Since                                                               
then, the  Kenai Kachemak (KKPL)  pipeline has come on  line. The                                                               
KKPL was initially  intended to run from the southern  end of the                                                               
Kenai Peninsula  back to Kenai  as the  oil reserves were  in the                                                               
south.  The KKPL  wrote to  the Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska                                                               
(RCA)  requesting that  it  be  allowed to  offer  both firm  and                                                               
interruptible   services.  The   RCA   replied   that  the   2000                                                               
legislation governing  classes of  service to pipelines  was only                                                               
specific to the North Slope.  This bill deletes "North Slope" and                                                               
adds a section  that defines a natural gas  pipeline facility and                                                               
a natural gas pipeline carrier.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. JACKSON  told members  the bill  should contain  an immediate                                                               
effective  date  as  the  pipeline  is  under  construction.  She                                                               
pointed out the Department of  Natural Resources submitted a zero                                                               
fiscal  note, but  included  some concerns  on  page 2.  [Senator                                                               
Wagoner]   disagrees  with   the   assertion   that  this   could                                                               
potentially  be   used  to  impede   pipeline  access   for  non-                                                               
affiliated producers  and could  hinder natural  gas exploration.                                                               
She  told  members  that representatives  of  Marathon  Oil  were                                                               
present to  speak to that. She  noted the function of  the RCA is                                                               
to insure fairness.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEN SCHOFFMANN, Marathon Oil,  said he is the project manager                                                               
for the  Kenai Kachemak  Pipeline project known  as KKPL.  SB 151                                                               
would provide the  RCA with a tool to offer  two types of service                                                               
to pipelines,  firm and interruptible, that  it currently applies                                                               
to the North Slope gas line.  FERC has used the same policy often                                                               
in the  Lower 48  over the  past two decades  by FERC.  This bill                                                               
would  clarify that  the RCA  has  the authority  to grant  other                                                               
pipelines the  authority to grant  those two classes  of service,                                                               
otherwise known as contract carriage,  to regulated gas pipelines                                                               
elsewhere in the state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that firm  service  is  a commitment  between  the                                                               
pipeline owner and  its customers to provide  a designated amount                                                               
of throughput  on a set  daily basis.  The shipper agrees  to pay                                                               
for that  capacity whether or  not it is  utilized. It is  a risk                                                               
decision the shipper makes to  reserve capacity. The shipper pays                                                               
what is known as a reservation charge for that privilege.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Interruptible service  is offered on  an as available  basis. The                                                               
pipeline would offer  to transport volumes and  the shipper would                                                               
only have to pay for services  actually used. The parties have no                                                               
long-term commitment  as to  promised throughputs,  deliveries or                                                               
payments for gas that is not rendered for delivery.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SB 151  is important to investors  because when you put  money on                                                               
the line, it's good to know  that people are actually going to be                                                               
interested  in  using  the  pipeline  capacity  you're  building.                                                               
Offering firm transportation  is a way for  pipeline investors to                                                               
make sure  they will  have customers and  to understand  what the                                                               
level of interest is and how  serious that interest is. With firm                                                               
transportation, shippers are asked to  commit in advance and make                                                               
payments  for  capacity whether  it's  used  or  not. It  sets  a                                                               
minimum standard for  how large the pipeline must  be. He stated.                                                               
"Without that,  it's a  wild guess...It  helps them  reduce their                                                               
risk and manage their expectations."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHOFFMANN said  SB 151  is important  for shippers  because                                                               
they want to  be sure that they're  going to be able  to ship gas                                                               
on  that line.  Shippers generally  have two  types of  gas sales                                                               
contracts and those  are firm or interruptible. If  a pipeline is                                                               
then placed between  a gas supplier and their  end customer, like                                                               
Enstar, Chugach Electric, industrial  users and residents, but it                                                               
doesn't have  the capability to  offer the same type  of service,                                                               
then it almost undermines the  contractual relationship between a                                                               
supplier and a customer. The  supplier needs the ability not only                                                             
to produce the  gas with certainty, but also to  ship that gas to                                                               
the customer  with certainty.  This helps  the shipper  align its                                                               
transportation services  with its gas  contracts. If it  has firm                                                               
gas contracts, it more than  likely will want firm transportation                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked  if this bill would only allow  the smaller gas                                                               
pipeline the same flexibility that TAPS has currently.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHOFFMANN  replied that current  law deals with  natural gas                                                               
pipelines and the TAPS.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE  asked him to  address DNR's concern that  the fiscal                                                               
note might discourage gas development.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHOFFMANN  replied that the  situation with the  fiscal note                                                               
seems to  imply that unaffiliated  shippers would not be  able to                                                               
have certainty  with which  to conduct  their operations,  but he                                                               
disputes  that implication  because the  producers are  given two                                                               
options, one of  firm service and the other to  wait and see what                                                               
the development  is before they  put money  on the line.  The RCA                                                               
will be  involved in insuring  that this is  a non-discriminatory                                                               
process  that is  fairly transparent.  This includes  designating                                                               
expansions of the line.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if this  legislation would be  necessary if                                                               
the KKPL was proposed as a common carrier pipeline.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SCHOFFMANN replied  that the  common carrier  provisions are                                                               
already  in AS  42.06.  This  is a  clarification  to the  common                                                               
carrier  provisions  that  allow  two classes  of  service.  Now,                                                               
practically  speaking, all  common  carriers offer  interruptible                                                               
service  only,  because  if  the  pipelines  get  oversubscribed,                                                               
everybody gets curtailed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH said his sense  is that this legislation would not                                                               
be  necessary  if it  just  involved  common carriers,  but  that                                                               
wouldn't satisfy his business plans.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHOFFMANN agreed and said SB  151 is necessary as a function                                                               
of  the development  of the  gas transportation  and deregulation                                                               
process  that's  happened  over   the  past  couple  of  decades.                                                               
Projects that define  what has happened in the  industry have not                                                               
come up during that time frame.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  asked if SB  151 will allow  smaller independent                                                               
producers to find  carriers to get their products  to market that                                                               
might not exist under any  other scenario unless they built their                                                               
own pipelines.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHOFFMANN replied  they believe SB 151  will be advantageous                                                               
to  all potential  customers, small  producers included,  because                                                               
they are not  being asked to commit anything in  advance over the                                                               
long-term. However, they  will see a pipeline  with published and                                                               
regulated  tariffs and  the  fact that  the  pipeline is  getting                                                               
built and is getting closer  to some of their operations provides                                                               
a huge  incentive to accelerate  their plans or drill  wells that                                                               
they wouldn't have  if they were 33 miles further  away from that                                                               
infrastructure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  said that this  addresses an overall  concern he                                                               
has about how to encourage  smaller independent businesses to get                                                               
into the energy production business in Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANTHONY  SCOTT, Division  of  Oil  and  Gas, DNR,  said  the                                                               
contract carriage provisions can reduce  producer risk for a non-                                                               
producer affiliated  pipeline, which is the  general case outside                                                               
of  Alaska. With  a producer-affiliated  pipeline,  there is  the                                                               
potential for concern  that during the open  season, the pipeline                                                               
could decide to either meet the  needs of the producers, which he                                                               
understands is  not the  case with  KKPL, or  monopolize capacity                                                               
before  an independent  shipper  has explored  or discovered  the                                                               
gas.  This legislation  will  affect not  only  KKPL, but  future                                                               
pipelines as well.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if  this proposed pipeline  is going  to be                                                               
owned by an affiliated or non-affiliated pipeline company.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SCHOFFMANN  responded that  KKPL is  a joint  venture between                                                               
Marathon and  Unocal, who  are also  committed as  shippers. They                                                               
are an affiliated company. The  issues that were raised really do                                                               
fall  under the  purview of  the  RCA to  make sure  that a  fair                                                               
process is  in place. If  Marathon and  Unocal find gas  in other                                                               
areas of  the Kenai Peninsula  where they have not  yet explored,                                                               
they would be in the same position  as anyone else who has yet to                                                               
make a commitment  to the pipeline. The RCA has  the authority to                                                               
look at the tariffs to make sure they are balanced.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  moved to adopt  Amendment 1 to add  an immediate                                                               
effective date. There were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRANDBERG,  RCA Commissioner,  testified that  this approach                                                               
would be a new one in the regulation of pipelines.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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MR.  STRANDBERG said  he  didn't  know how  SB  151 would  affect                                                               
preexisting  firm  transport  contracts that  can  be  negotiated                                                               
under new language and whether the  RCA would have the ability to                                                               
require the parties  to those contracts to renegotiate  for a pro                                                               
rata  share reduction  that would  be required  under the  common                                                               
carrier provision.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  questioned why  this would  be considered  a new                                                               
approach if, in effect, SB 151 only removes "North Slope."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRANDBERG replied currently, the  RCA is just regulating two                                                               
gas pipelines in the state.  The North Slope pipeline hadn't been                                                               
constructed  yet.  The two  gas  lines  are regulated  under  the                                                               
state's public  utility statutes.  He clarified, "We  really have                                                               
no gas pipelines that are regulated under AS 42.06 right now."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SEEKINS  noted that it  isn't a new approach  in statute,                                                               
since the statute  already exists for North Slope  gas. It's just                                                               
that there isn't one in operation yet.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. STRANDBERG said he is correct.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR BUNDE asked Mr. Strandberg  to submit a written response to                                                               
the concern  expressed by  DNR in  its fiscal  note, and  said he                                                               
would  distribute  copies  to the  committee.  He  announced  the                                                               
committee would hold SB 151 until further notice.                                                                               

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